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01-31-2008, 03:19 PM
In an extensive and uncensored interview, Shah Rukh Khan talks to NDTV 24x7's Managing Editor Sonia Singh about politics, his fab abs, the recent smoking controversy, and his dreams.
Here's the transcript of the interview:
Watch Shah Rukh Khan's interview on February 2, at 8:30 pm on NDTV 24x7, with a repeat telecast on February 3, at 9:30 pm.
Sonia Singh: Joining me tonight Shah Rukh Khan, a true NDTV Indian. Shah Rukh, what does the term 'Indian of the Year' mean to you?
Shah Rukh: I do not like the year part. I am very proud of the Indian part of it. I think in our own small way whatever little work that we do or what we stand for. See, I am a true believer in our hearts that we all want to do things for ourselves but in that, doing things for yourself some way down the line if it is reaching out to some other people. So my core job of being an entertainer, I am happy that the entertainment can reach a lot of people.
I also know for a fact or at least I believe at this point of time that the entertainment will not change the course of history, world or people's mindset. But some way down the line if it can reach out and touch a few people, I am proud. I think every Indian should attempt that in their line of work. I do not know if mine is completely capitalist or it has got some emotional connect also. Awards like the Indian of the Year remind you that to be a true Indian, you need to touch lives of other Indians in a positive sense.
Sonia Singh: But it is interesting you said that, because for many people, cinema in India is not just entertainment, it is really a religion. As an actor, each film must be a huge gamble, you do not know what works. What went through your mind when you chose two of India's biggest blockbusters Chak De! India and Om Shanti Om?
Shah Rukh: I am a spiritual about it in a strange sense. I do not choose films, I think films choose me. That is the nicest way to answer this and not just boring you with details what goes into choosing a film. But I want to teach my children the ability to turn around with pride, tell their parents and teachers, 'I do not know.'
I follow that myself and I do not know if it is going to work or not, I just do it because it feels that nice at that point of time. I do not think I am a great professional who understands the cinema to such an extent. And I am not being modest. After 17 years, I still do not have the understanding of what is going to work, and what is not.
The young girls who never acted before (in Chak De), hockey, which I have played since childhood, a national sport, since a few good things and you know that it stands for a part of my philosophy, "Sattar minutes hain tumahre pass, isme itna chheen lo ke Khuda bhi tumse wapas na mang sake".
So I believe you only have that little time in life. Om Shanti Om is wacky, demented, has a sense of humour, which is over the top. So I do not think it is nice to do. But I really do not know. I have done a lot of films that a lot of people say... do you allow me to say 'crap' on NDTV?
Sonia Singh: Of course, you are.
Shah Rukh: A lot of people say they're crap but they are all very dear. Because I did not know even after doing that, whether they were successful or failures. I still do not know.
Sonia Singh: They all are your babies in a way.
Shah Rukh: Don't know, I am happy, I did it.
Sonia Singh: This year has been a huge year for Hindi cinema, we have also seen some of the biggest hits by different actors but it seems it has also become a bit of parochial in a way. Suddenly all this about camps, people are working with certain directors. Does all that lead to lessening of experimentation? Do you think in a way we are becoming too rigid about what kind of films to choose? Big stars are only choosing films made by certain people.
Shah Rukh: No, it is not true. Since I have been in the film industry for 17 years, I am not from America, I am from Delhi. I am an outsider. I have done well for myself in terms of creativity. Nobody ever questioned me where I come from and where I go. I have worked with everyone. They used to say Mr (Subhash) Ghai and Mr Yash Chopra [Images] and x,y,z directors do not get along well. I was working with them in the same year. They were all happy with each other's work. You are hero of the film and you hope your film does well.
I would like to maintain that 'camp' is a term which is only used by outsiders. There are no 'camps'. Obviously, there are reasons of affordability. But the biggest reason is the reason for comfort. If I work with certain people without having any knowledge, I would rather work with someone I'm comfortable with. Okay, I am an expensive actor to work, in the sense of love, sensitivity, kindness and care. I am very expensive that way...
Sonia Singh: Right, I am not getting into other pricing.
Shah Rukh: I do not take money for films. People say that's a joke, but that is true. I am very expensive. I want people to be very nice, kind. I am creating something and I think of myself as an artist. So I like that atmosphere. So I choose people I am comfortable with and I work with them. I have worked with different people. I have worked with Shimit (Amin, director of Chak De! India). I worked with Farah Khan [Images]. Fortunately for me, all the new people I have worked with have become huge filmmakers. So I will do a second film with them.
Sonia Singh: I know we all love to love Shah Rukh. But suddenly, there are films with snide remarks about your dancing at award ceremonies... not ours... but dancing at award ceremonies, doing too many ads. Does that criticism bother you at all?
Shah Rukh: No. Dancing at your award ceremony, it wouldn't be better then. Would it be okay if I dance? You can tell me if you want me to dance.
Sonia Singh: You can dance after this.
Shah Rukh: But then you cannot afford me. But to be really honest, I do not know why a lot of people say a lot of things. There was a time six years ago when I would not react nicely to it. Then one fine morning, I woke up and realised that whatever power that be, I can say hard work and talent and like whatever power that has given me so much. So it sidetracks. I know what I believe in, I believed in certain kind of entertainment with lot of purity and honesty and I would keep doing that. I would finally fail or die doing that. I am never going to change that, not because it works but because I believe in it.
Yes, you should try to earn money; it is good thing to do. I tell that to every youngster I meet. So all the things that people say about me, my dancing... I am very, very proud of it. I am not a great dancer but I still dance, people pay me to dance. They do not bother me any more. As a matter of fact, three days ago I was having dinner with some young actors and they told me that we want to do the same thing. We want to earn money, we want to do the cinema we believe in. So just keep smiling and not be bothered. I am not bothered, really, I mean it hurts sometimes. But it is lessening, the hurt is lessening. So I am quite okay.
Sonia Singh: I mean, 'logo ko kuch kahna hai'. But what drives Shah Rukh Khan? That is an amazing drive you have, you do not give up, you keep going, you keep coming up with something new. What drives you?
Shah Rukh: I think I hurt easy; I get disturbed if I do not win. And that is the general truth. But if I get disturbed, I do not give up. I have this saying which is very greedy and perhaps not nice but I say it to my kids, 'losing is not my option'.
When I say that, I do not say it with vengeance, anger, aggression. I think you need to pick up yourself, dust yourself and sit again I will give it another go. That's what I do every morning. I wake up and I say this is one aspect I would like to win, I would like to win not in a competition but I want to win myself from the last year, from the last expression, from the last work. It is not directed toward x,y,z.
And the second part is I want to end my career as an actor by bringing smile to the maximum number of faces. You know, I am driving in a car, I just come down at the airport and somebody just smiles for no reason, they just smile, they do not know even I am a good guy or not but they just smile. And that is the gift Allah has given me that I can make people smile. So I want a lot of people to smile through the work and because people are giving me so much, I have to return it. So the drive is to get up every morning and say thank you through my work. I need to just get up and the drive is to say thank you. I think it is a positive drive and the negative drive that I want to win.
Here's the transcript of the interview:
Watch Shah Rukh Khan's interview on February 2, at 8:30 pm on NDTV 24x7, with a repeat telecast on February 3, at 9:30 pm.
Sonia Singh: Joining me tonight Shah Rukh Khan, a true NDTV Indian. Shah Rukh, what does the term 'Indian of the Year' mean to you?
Shah Rukh: I do not like the year part. I am very proud of the Indian part of it. I think in our own small way whatever little work that we do or what we stand for. See, I am a true believer in our hearts that we all want to do things for ourselves but in that, doing things for yourself some way down the line if it is reaching out to some other people. So my core job of being an entertainer, I am happy that the entertainment can reach a lot of people.
I also know for a fact or at least I believe at this point of time that the entertainment will not change the course of history, world or people's mindset. But some way down the line if it can reach out and touch a few people, I am proud. I think every Indian should attempt that in their line of work. I do not know if mine is completely capitalist or it has got some emotional connect also. Awards like the Indian of the Year remind you that to be a true Indian, you need to touch lives of other Indians in a positive sense.
Sonia Singh: But it is interesting you said that, because for many people, cinema in India is not just entertainment, it is really a religion. As an actor, each film must be a huge gamble, you do not know what works. What went through your mind when you chose two of India's biggest blockbusters Chak De! India and Om Shanti Om?
Shah Rukh: I am a spiritual about it in a strange sense. I do not choose films, I think films choose me. That is the nicest way to answer this and not just boring you with details what goes into choosing a film. But I want to teach my children the ability to turn around with pride, tell their parents and teachers, 'I do not know.'
I follow that myself and I do not know if it is going to work or not, I just do it because it feels that nice at that point of time. I do not think I am a great professional who understands the cinema to such an extent. And I am not being modest. After 17 years, I still do not have the understanding of what is going to work, and what is not.
The young girls who never acted before (in Chak De), hockey, which I have played since childhood, a national sport, since a few good things and you know that it stands for a part of my philosophy, "Sattar minutes hain tumahre pass, isme itna chheen lo ke Khuda bhi tumse wapas na mang sake".
So I believe you only have that little time in life. Om Shanti Om is wacky, demented, has a sense of humour, which is over the top. So I do not think it is nice to do. But I really do not know. I have done a lot of films that a lot of people say... do you allow me to say 'crap' on NDTV?
Sonia Singh: Of course, you are.
Shah Rukh: A lot of people say they're crap but they are all very dear. Because I did not know even after doing that, whether they were successful or failures. I still do not know.
Sonia Singh: They all are your babies in a way.
Shah Rukh: Don't know, I am happy, I did it.
Sonia Singh: This year has been a huge year for Hindi cinema, we have also seen some of the biggest hits by different actors but it seems it has also become a bit of parochial in a way. Suddenly all this about camps, people are working with certain directors. Does all that lead to lessening of experimentation? Do you think in a way we are becoming too rigid about what kind of films to choose? Big stars are only choosing films made by certain people.
Shah Rukh: No, it is not true. Since I have been in the film industry for 17 years, I am not from America, I am from Delhi. I am an outsider. I have done well for myself in terms of creativity. Nobody ever questioned me where I come from and where I go. I have worked with everyone. They used to say Mr (Subhash) Ghai and Mr Yash Chopra [Images] and x,y,z directors do not get along well. I was working with them in the same year. They were all happy with each other's work. You are hero of the film and you hope your film does well.
I would like to maintain that 'camp' is a term which is only used by outsiders. There are no 'camps'. Obviously, there are reasons of affordability. But the biggest reason is the reason for comfort. If I work with certain people without having any knowledge, I would rather work with someone I'm comfortable with. Okay, I am an expensive actor to work, in the sense of love, sensitivity, kindness and care. I am very expensive that way...
Sonia Singh: Right, I am not getting into other pricing.
Shah Rukh: I do not take money for films. People say that's a joke, but that is true. I am very expensive. I want people to be very nice, kind. I am creating something and I think of myself as an artist. So I like that atmosphere. So I choose people I am comfortable with and I work with them. I have worked with different people. I have worked with Shimit (Amin, director of Chak De! India). I worked with Farah Khan [Images]. Fortunately for me, all the new people I have worked with have become huge filmmakers. So I will do a second film with them.
Sonia Singh: I know we all love to love Shah Rukh. But suddenly, there are films with snide remarks about your dancing at award ceremonies... not ours... but dancing at award ceremonies, doing too many ads. Does that criticism bother you at all?
Shah Rukh: No. Dancing at your award ceremony, it wouldn't be better then. Would it be okay if I dance? You can tell me if you want me to dance.
Sonia Singh: You can dance after this.
Shah Rukh: But then you cannot afford me. But to be really honest, I do not know why a lot of people say a lot of things. There was a time six years ago when I would not react nicely to it. Then one fine morning, I woke up and realised that whatever power that be, I can say hard work and talent and like whatever power that has given me so much. So it sidetracks. I know what I believe in, I believed in certain kind of entertainment with lot of purity and honesty and I would keep doing that. I would finally fail or die doing that. I am never going to change that, not because it works but because I believe in it.
Yes, you should try to earn money; it is good thing to do. I tell that to every youngster I meet. So all the things that people say about me, my dancing... I am very, very proud of it. I am not a great dancer but I still dance, people pay me to dance. They do not bother me any more. As a matter of fact, three days ago I was having dinner with some young actors and they told me that we want to do the same thing. We want to earn money, we want to do the cinema we believe in. So just keep smiling and not be bothered. I am not bothered, really, I mean it hurts sometimes. But it is lessening, the hurt is lessening. So I am quite okay.
Sonia Singh: I mean, 'logo ko kuch kahna hai'. But what drives Shah Rukh Khan? That is an amazing drive you have, you do not give up, you keep going, you keep coming up with something new. What drives you?
Shah Rukh: I think I hurt easy; I get disturbed if I do not win. And that is the general truth. But if I get disturbed, I do not give up. I have this saying which is very greedy and perhaps not nice but I say it to my kids, 'losing is not my option'.
When I say that, I do not say it with vengeance, anger, aggression. I think you need to pick up yourself, dust yourself and sit again I will give it another go. That's what I do every morning. I wake up and I say this is one aspect I would like to win, I would like to win not in a competition but I want to win myself from the last year, from the last expression, from the last work. It is not directed toward x,y,z.
And the second part is I want to end my career as an actor by bringing smile to the maximum number of faces. You know, I am driving in a car, I just come down at the airport and somebody just smiles for no reason, they just smile, they do not know even I am a good guy or not but they just smile. And that is the gift Allah has given me that I can make people smile. So I want a lot of people to smile through the work and because people are giving me so much, I have to return it. So the drive is to get up every morning and say thank you through my work. I need to just get up and the drive is to say thank you. I think it is a positive drive and the negative drive that I want to win.